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Rapporto di ricerca: La formazione dei professionisti europei nel campo del documentario
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28. Suggerimenti per chi comincia |
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..genauer - erfahrene - integere Leute sollten die Kuirse halten - sagen den 2. Teil nachedem die Basics vemittelt wurden. Aber wenn zum Beispiel durch und durch integere Personen wie zum Beispiel Elfie Mikesch auch die Basics vermitteln |
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1- dokumentarfilm so\\\en mehr regieassis? anbieln 2- praktike in filmproduktionen in besli?e redaktion\produktion entessweide 3- praktika in tvanstatten nicht nur mit journalistischen objektivitats anspruca anbieten, sondern auch mit kunfheinsch g |
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1) 1-3 days focusing on developing a documentary 2) so in the field, make one or two docs 3) spend 1 week discussing it 4) focus on production |
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1) foused in subject matter- courses 2) not expensive, or at least available in various cities so to diminish costs |
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A COURSE IN ADVOCACY WHEN IT COMES TO DOCUMENTRY. HOW TO BE PROACTIVE |
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ACQUISIRE COMPETENZE TECNICHE, PERTINENZA LINGUISTICO-ESPRESSIVA, PROGETTUALITÀ. NECESSITÀ DI FORMAZIONE SOVVENZIONATA |
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any course should combine a the highest general education in humanities e.g. history, philosoph with serious knowledge of the technical field, camera, lights, editing |
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APPRENDISTATO SUL CAMPO, IN RIPRESA E MONTAGGIO |
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as well as the technical and organizational skills, students must be exposed to: 1. The more philosophical aspects of 'srt and reality' 2. History and theory of documentary 3. Study of documentary narrative forms 4. editing 5. Directing stratego |
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be awareof studio/television viewing figures. Be prepared to struggle to get your programmes off the ground |
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by following trainings of screenwriting and reading by improving knowledge on the ethnical and social field |
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CO-OPERATE BETWEEN MANY COUNTRIES |
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COLLEGAMENTO CON I NETWORK (COME IN GERMANIA) |
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concentrated pratical and teoretical training for documentary filmmaker at selected filmschools. Involving young talents in pratical training/? In professional productions |
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corsi anche all'estero, per conoscere i mercati europei e quindi assecondarne la richiesta |
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CORSI CON RIFERIMENTO A TECNOLOGIE AVANZATE |
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corsi di storia del doc dal punto di vista dei linguaggi audiovisivi corsi work in progress pratici di regia |
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corsi specifici indirizzati sia agli autori (progettazione\scrittura) che ai produttori che non esistono in italia e sono indispensabili |
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courses in ethics |
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CREAZIONE DI UNA FIGURA PROFESSIONALE CON RELATIVE RICADUTE LEGALI E FISCALI. CREAZIONE DI UN DIPLOMA O SCUOLA |
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da habe ich den uberblickverloren. Ich bekomme zuassenthaft Anfragen nech praktikungplatzen. Da scheit ein sehr grosst bedarf zu sein. Die frage is ja auch fur welche perspektive ausgebildet werden soll. Zu wenig platzet ressonren fur qualitatsvolle |
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DAS AKTUELLE --GEBOT KENNE ICH NICHT. |
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die ausbildunhg von autoren und regisseuren fur non fiction bereich sollte standardidiert werden. Die meisten berufsanfanger absolvieren bisher nur einige praktika, die unterschiedlich gut sind. Am besten ware begleitendne berufsschule fur die, die n |
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DIE HOCHSHULEN BIETEN SICHER EINE GUTE BUSBILDEN. ICH GLAUBE MAN MUß SICH INDIVIDUEL DWCHSCHLAGEN. |
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Die kenn ich nicht |
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doing it! Pratical cinematography; editing film |
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Dok film ist eine .. Individuellelle film prod.-art. Es hommt hönfig mehr auf die menschlichen Seiten au, als auf Fachliche Kompetenz |
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easy access & cheaper facilities |
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EIGENTLICH AUSREICHEND. IN EINEN "NORMALEN" BERUFLICHEN UMFELD WÄRE EINE INDIVIDUELLE WEITERENTWICKLUNG MÖGLICH.DOCH DIE ALLGEMEINE GESELLSCHAFTLICHE ORIENTIERUNG, DER DIE REDAKTIONELL-DRAMATURGISCHE WEITGEHEND UNKRITISCH FOLGT, ZWINGT ZUR continua |
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es ware gut gabe es auch fur dokumentarfilm ab und an einen kleinen kurs in grundlagen der erzahltechnik, der interviewfuhrung und dramaturgie |
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ESPERIENZA GUIDATA SUL CAMPO. APPROFONDIMENTO LINGUAGGIO - MONTAGGIO. CONOSCENZA STRUMENTI VECCHI E NUOVI |
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far esperienza di produzione televisiva … lavoro sul campo |
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fare molta pretica e guardare vari generi del documentario europeo: dai doc scientifici della BBC e discovery channel ai doc di creazione o d'autore |
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favoriser les echanges et le demarrage des projects |
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FIRST STUDY IN DEPHT ANY SUBJECT(S) THAT HAS ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO DO WITH MAKING DOCUMENTARIES |
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FIRST, UNIVERSITY GRADAUTION IN ANY FIELD (FOR GENERAL KNOLEDGE), THEN, START SHOOTING |
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FORMAZIONE TECNICA + FORMAZIONE TEORICA IN SEMINARI MIRATI. SOPRATTUTO ATTENZIONE ALLA PRODUZIONE/DISTRIBUZIONE /ASSISTENZA LEGALE, PROTEZIONE DIRITTI, RAPPORTI CON DISTRIBUTORI E BROADCASTERS |
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GERADE DER AUSTAUSCH ÜBER PRODUKTIONSBEDINGUNGEN IN ZUSAMMENARBEIT MIT AUFTRAGGEBERN SOLLTE DURCH AUSTAUSCH MEHR GEPFLEGT WERDEN. ICH DENKE DIE ZUSAMMERBEIT MIT PRODUZENTEN IM DOK-BEREICH LÄßT NOCH VIELES ZU VERBESSERN |
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GET REAL PRACTICTIONERS TO CONDUCT SHORT, + STORY COURSES |
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go to a film school where tou have time & space to explore how you want to work |
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guardare i doc usa, uk e francesi. Cercare di capire la differenza tra pubbliredazione, reportage e documentario |
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hands in experiences in creating shooting editing and directing |
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HAVE MORE DOCUMENTARIES BROADCAST. PROMOTE DOCUMENTARY AS A GENRE. |
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HAVING ALWAYS LEARNED THROUGH THE PRACTICE ITSELF, I ALWAYS FELT THERE WAS A NEED TO COMBINE THE THEORETICAL APPROACH WITH MORE PRACTICAL INTERASHIPS. BUT I SENSE THIS IS HAPPENING ALREADY |
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I AM STARTING A MASTER DEGREE IN DOCUMENTARY BY PRACTICE AT ROYAL HOLLWAY UNIV OF LOWDEN HIGLY CONCEPTUAL AND INTELLECTUALLY BUT ALSO VOCATIONALLY FOCUSED |
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I BELIEVE, AFTER WORKING IN THIS FIELD FOR NEARLY 30 YEARS - AND TEACHING DOCUMENTARY FILMMAKING, THAT WHAT'S NEED MOST ARE IDEAS - TECHNIQUES CAN BE LEARNED QUICKLY - BUTY STORYTELLING TAKES TALENTED PEOPLE WITH SOMETHING INTERESTING TO SAY |
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I THINK IT IS IMPORTANT TO START DOCUMENTARY AFTER HAVING STUDIED OTHER SUBJECTS. WHEN YOU START, I THINK THAT YOU NEED TO KNOW ABOUT ITS HISTORY + GENRES AS WELL AS A GOOD TRAINING + UNDERSTANDING OF FILM LANGUAGE |
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ich denke, dass da inzwischen viel zu viel angeboten wird, vor allem von sehr d |
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IL DOCUMENTARIO DI QUALITA' E' LA PREMESSA PER IL CINEMA D'AUTORE. SOLO L'ESISTENZA DI UNA INDUSTRIA DEL CINEMA PORREBBE L'ESIGENZA DI UNA FORMAZIONE DA "DOCUMENTARISTA" |
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IMPORTANT TO INCLUDE IN TRAINEE PROGRAMS THE ASPECT: FOR WHOM YOU ARE PRODUCING (NON FOR YOURSELF!) THAT MEANS MARKETING RESEARCHES, CLIENTS NEEDS, FINANCING, ECC |
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in my opinion should beclearly differentiated between journalism anddoc filmmaking … the creative capacity to tell stories, real stories, which implicates dramatic aspects etc. not just fact telling. In north european countries this idea has been def |
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INCONTRI CON PRODUTTORI, AUTORI E COMMISSIONING EDITOR DOVE SI ESAMINA UNO O PIÙ LAVORI SVISCERANDOLI IN TUTTO IL LORO PERCORSO: DALL'IDEA ALLA CONSEGNA DEL LAVORO AI FINANZIATORI, COPRODUTTORI |
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INTEREUROPEAN,INTERSCHOLAR COMMUNICATION,COLLABORATION.EXCHANGE OF IDEAS AN PROGRAMS MADE. MORE GUEST TEACHERS, GUEST COLLABORATORS STUDENTS DOCUMENTARY CIRCUIT IN OWN AND OTHER COUNTRIES. WEEKSESSIONS BETWEEN SCHOOLS WITH PROJECTION AND - continua |
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INTERNATIONAL LAW |
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ja, aber die meisten sind schlichtweg zu teuer. Zum beispiel, ich wurde gern am 'script 2000' stoff - und projectenwicklung in hannover teilnehmen, kann mir es aber nicht leisten |
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JOURNALISTIC APPROACH, SKILLS TO PRODUCE EFFICIENTLY AND FAST, IF NECESSARY, OF COURSE |
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just find your way and search for the good people who really know something and then work hard |
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KENN ICH NICHT |
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knowledge on the history of the documentary filmmaking (and to be able to see lots of old documentaries, knowledge of the entire production preocess, knowledge of techique, formats etc. Awareness of different channels, audiences etc. |
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la formazione deve essere strutturata in modo che allo studente siano chiari sin dall'inizioni pincipi della produzione documentraristica, quali l'analisi del soggetto di ricerca e i metodi cinematografici o videografici da usare per documentare il s |
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LA PRODUZIONE, LA PROGETTAZIONE, LA PRATICA E L'ASPETTO TECNOLOGICO |
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LEARN HOW TO RESEARCH + PRODUCE |
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learnin how to master DV tecnoligy |
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learning popular documentary gentres for an increasingly commercial market |
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MAGGIORE INVESTIMENTO ECONOMICO DA PARTE DI STRUTTURE STATALI + APPORTO DI PRIVATI + POSSIBILITA' DI STAGE IN ALTRI PAESI DELL'UE, IN STRUTTURE TELEVISIVE, O CASE DI PRODUZIONE CHE UTILIZZANO UN LINGUAGGIO PIU' ARTICOLATO RISPETTO AL NOSTRO |
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MANGEL: BESSERE VERKNUPFUNG VON THEORIE UND PRAXIS, PATENSCHAFTEN DURCH ERFAHRENE MACHER NOTWENDIG (ICH SELBST BILDE SOWOHL MEDIENGESTALTER BILD/TON AUS ALS AUCH DOK-FILMER, DIE KOMPLEXE PRAXIS ERLERNEN |
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marketing , financing, and alla the broadcasting side |
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MOLTI ESERICZI PRATICI. ABITUARSI AL LAVORO D'EQUIPE. INCENTIVARE IL CONFRONTO CON ALTRI "COLLEGHI" DI ALTRI PAESI. |
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MORE CONTACT WITH THE SUCCESSFUL INDEPENDANT DIRECTOR/PRODUCERS AND COMISIONING EDITORS WHO HAVE CO-OPERATED IN THE MARKET WHILST RETAINING THEIR INTEGRITY AND VISION. UNDERSTANDING OF HOW THE MARKET WORKS. |
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more publicety about documentary and production companies |
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MORE SPECIFIC DOCUMENTARY EDUCATIONS. MORE EXCHANGE OF IDEAS, COMMENTS, TEACHERS IN … THROUGH EUROPE. |
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Nein. Mehr Ausbildung im Bereich Regie |
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nicht angemessen und nicht auf die neuen\jetzigen bedurfnisse\maktwandel eingehend\heute keine zeit fur fundierte arbeitzusammenhenge\recherce etc |
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no comment, because today too many school facilities exist for newcomers, which don't exist when I was starting, so I can't judge |
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no it's quite good in switzerland |
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not to have one concrete role to learn. Be more open (at the very beginning) |
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ONLINE COURSES |
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OPEN EYES, BY DV CAMERA, ASK OTHERS FOR ADVICE, PRAY |
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PIÙ SCAMBI TRA OPERATORI DEL SETTORE. C'È ORMAI UNA VISIONE SCLEROTIZZATA DELL'IDEA DI FORMAZIONE ED IL VOSTRO QUESTIONARIO NE È L'ENNESIMO RIFLESSO |
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POTER VEDERE DEI BUONI DOCUMENTARI E FILM |
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pratical knowledge, life experience |
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PRODUCTION (BUDGETING, FUND-RAISING, SALES). LEGAL QUESTIONS. I ASSUME THIS MEANS AFTER FILM SCHOOL / DOCUMENTARY EDUCATION |
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PRODUCTION AND FINANCING DIRECTING |
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progettare brevi workshop di 2\3 giorni per far capire perché e come si scrive un progetto. Il corso deve essere tenuto da un produttore e non da un autore-regista. Partendo dall'analisi di film doc molto ben scritti sarebbe interessante arrivare all |
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REALISTIC TRAINING IN THE "BUSINESS" SIDE OF MAKING DOCUMENTARY |
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relations between filmakers, producer and commissioning editor, what is asked by the sources of funding, why, how, where are the problems, what is the freedom left for creativity in the reality and not in theory |
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SCUOLE DI FORMAZIONE IN CUI SI FACCIA MOLTA PRATICA, IN CUI SI STUDI SU LAVORI GIA' FATTI DA ALTRI |
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sorry no idea |
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SPECIFIC FILM SCHOOLS FOR DOCUMENTARIES |
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studi comparativi sia dal punto di vista contenutistico che formale. Conoscenza delle nuove tecnologie. Metodologia di ricerca |
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SULLA STRUTTURA NARRATIVA |
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teach about new medias and about the complex distribution. Teach about journalism and the history of the doc (to prevent the invention of the wheel ones more ...) |
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the most important thing for making goog docs are 1) journalistic couriosity 2) a good sense of story structure 3) good research and 4) production skills, with the recent miniaturization of cameras and other improvements and simplifications in the t |
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the possibility to work on the real projects like assistant |
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THERE ARE VERY FEW COURSES FOR US WHO WORK WITH TV REPORTAGE AND ON NATIONAL LEVEL |
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tirocinii |
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to follow some general courses about audiovisual and then follow some specific courses about documentary but the formation it must be lasts more then one year! |
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TO HAVE A PRELIMINARY EXPERIENCE IN THIS FILED IN SCHOOL |
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TO LEARN THAT NO DOCUMENT. IS OBJECTIVE. THEREFOR YOU NEED A HIGH LEVEL OF ETHIC AND A PROFESSIONAL WAY OF DEALING WITH FACTS. YOU HAVE TOLEARN THAT THIS IS NOT A NEWS REP. IT SHOULD HAVE A PERSONAL STYLE THAT FUNCTIONS AS A DRAMATIC WHOLE! |
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TV PRODUCTION USING NEW MEDIA |
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UNA FORMAZIONE PIÙ QUALIFICATA E, SOPRATTUTO UN SISTEMA FORMATIVO PIÙ APERTO ALLE ESIGENZE DEI PRODUTTORI, E NON ARROCCATO SU POSIZIONI PRECONCETTE E RITENUTE APRIORISTICAMENTE INCONFUTABILI |
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UNA MAGGIORE SPECIALIZZAZIONE E QUINDI UN NECESSARIO APPROFONDIMENTO CULTURALE |
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visione, analisi e conoscenza documentaristica d'autore. Sperimentazione anche con formati poveri (super8, digitale) |
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WATCH ALL KIND OF "UK" DOCUMENTARIES, READ A LOT ON HOW TO BUILD A NARRATION (LITTERATURE, CINEMA, TV AND DOCS), READ A LOT IN GENERAL (FICTION AS WELL AS INVESTIGATIVE JOURNALISM) |
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watch all kinds of uk docs, read a lot on how to build a narration (literature, cinema, tv & docs), read a lot in general (fiction as well as investigative journalism) |
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watch many intrernational docs specially from eastern europe and make them aware that it is art!!! |
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WEIß ICH ZU WENIG DRÜBER |
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WRITING PROPOSAL AND SCRIPTS |
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writing/developing/dramatic structure |
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ZU WÜNSCHEN WÄRE EINE SPEZIFISCHE IM DOKUMENTARFILMBEREICH. VORAUSSETZUNG WÄRE DIE ERARBEITUNG EINES AUS - BILDUNGSKOZEPTES, DAS THEMEN, ONHALTE ÜBERLEBENS STRATEGIEN |